David Horgan

Just wonder if anyone has a plan to deal with a month long lock down and limiting movement of people . Going to be harder for the new businesses to cope with money flow at a low point . Might be catastrophic for bigger outfits on loans too . Hope you all get through it if it gets to that point .

£1,200 without fitting a Flywheel too , wow she had her legs slapped there didn't she . Whats the Car a 400bhp monster Clutch and flwheel kit is circa £350/£400 to buy , £600 to fit it = £1,000 + vat =£1,200 with a flywheel . Clutch on its own £70 est so she got well shafted didn't she , They should have fitted a Flywheel with a New Clutch in the first place , who the blue blazes fits a clutch and not the flywheel when your 9 " and a few bolts away from doing the job right 1st time round . 3rd party fitted the new clutch without a flywheel , someone admitted its a shady job and they were correct there so not your problem is it , she accepted the job and it was fine Also its third party interference , she needs to go back to the fitters of the clutch as they were the last people to deal with this issue . Its not your baby . Telling her to come back to the dealer is their way of passing the buck to you , hoping your soft enough to get your wallet out . Advice ITS 5 Months ago lady , admit you have got this wrong , could be your fault or the garage who fitted the dodgy clutch but its not a dealer issue Dealer Advice ; DON'T get the wallet out

Your responsibility to make sure the documents were sent too you . Any fines are coming your way as you were the driver at that time . V62 required either post office or online and print it , fill it in and take it to post office , sometimes they can tax sometimes they cant , if they can then happy days if not I suggest you dont drive it till you have the new reg doc V5 back . You can expect a tax bill for 18 months if its not been Sorn 'ed and maybe a fine too if DVLA are not happy and they say you have been driving on the road . Really after the first year you should of realised it wasn't taxed , Plus you should have paid the tax when you collected the car from the dealer too . These two points alone make it your own fault but also not receiving a log book in the first month or 8 weeks was a give away too that all was not well . dealer problem it might have been , but also maybe post problem too , and that's why the DVLA will blame you for not making sure it was all in order V62 is first move , tax it , don't use it till taxed , then fingers crossed they dont take you to the cleaners for the errors ,

They should be car traders , Show us all how its done , Had one on the phone this morning , Do you do part x I can sure look at it for you i says , what have you got 03 Plate Mini One in red 88,000 , two weeks MOT complete with last years advisories , She wants £1,800 for it " I kid you NOT £1,800 " BUT she knows we have to earn a profit so will except £1,600 " Very generous I said . Take it to we buy any car i told her , they only want to give me £800 for it she goes " Wow What are they on to give her that much I thought " I said sorry my dear you are asking to much money for it and trying to get more trade in than its worth to sell . She rings back in about an hour I've been thinking she says , If i do take £800 for it at we buy any car could i give you £6,500 for your the car your selling Its £7,995 I said were do you get those numbers from . I've got to pay the insurance and tax with whats left she goes . They dont have a F##############g Clue they dont Cheerio Tat ta , Buggar off twat

I agree there Nick , some proper rubbish px cars out there nowdays but the ones who do appear to look after them think its worth £500 more than retail

Had a few recently go to wbac , because of high quotes first given online , got there and they grade like BCA 1,2,3,4,5 is their grading system , they arrived with the idea of getting 5k or whatever as quoted and got offered 4k due to condition . All were 1k lower than quoted on average . Then when they put the grade into the computer there's no going back im afraid because we haven't the authority to change the grade , they ask you first if you agree with the grade of say 3 and of course they all nod yes , but don't realise it affects the value .

80 on a dual carriageway should be ok stop worrying . Next time just look further ahead 10%over round here for speed awareness courses I think then they lock you up . Never been done for speeding ever , god knows how mind . I've only ever two speeds , flat out and stopped

Car washes round here employ 25 slaves , owner turns up in Ferrari shouts at them , they bow to him and he goes off on holidays again . All at £5 a car too. I'm thinking of having a go at car washes . But i cant find his alternate income source

217,000 CARS is 600cars a day 7 days a week 365 days non stop my god they will need 200 staff to just do the V5's and invoices , 600 deliveries 600 lorries , 600 drivers 48 k a day on drivers , 24 k a day staff for sales for starters , some one is telling big whoppers aren't they or cant count Just some uni techy weirdos sat round tables drinking costa coffee making projections up to spend borrowed money . will it work ? er NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not in a million years would be my best projection . Some poor sods going to be out of pocket pretty soon listening to those fools . earning £300 a car gross will cover that one LOL OH Forgot . 300 more staff for the bloody returns LOL

Mine is , but only when she gets to remove her GAG and I've changed the padlock recently

We trade them sort of things to a face book warrior , i Hit the PX hard on price then stick £2/400 on top , he buys them off me and sells via facebook . no hits back to me and his warranty ends 10 secs down the road . Win win

Know guys who trade on these stocking loans and two admit its a drug and have NO idea where they are with it , but they have to keep churning stuff out at cost to keep the facility open .If they DONT use it they lose it . Next Gear is the worst as they hide the figures very well indeed , but some Stocking loans connected with finance companies say borrow at 2% but they want reciprocal finance deals or the price % goes a lot higher , either way its pressure sales . All this has an effect on prices at trade level . Its all very clever really , wish i could get involved

Its the free stocking loans thats sent prices shooting for the stars in my opinion Most of these stocking plans HAVE to be used to 80/90% of the designated amounts the lender gave to the trader , so as soon as one car is sold it has to be replaced or the trader loses the facility . Hence they will just about pay any price to turn stock so as not to lose the stocking facility or have it reduced . This has the effect of training sellers to work for nothing , The stocking companies just want the money to keep turning as thats where their profits come from . Stupid silly times in reality run by people who know nothing about the car trade , BCA are one of the lenders now too , designed to sell their own cars , they will fund anyone really because they actually want the stock to return back after taking massive profits for the 3 months on the loans/buyers fees etc . Then of course repeat the success with another sale to another smuk who pays for the privilege . Without these free money trees being handed to fools who cant see past their own eye lashes the trade would be very different and controlled by people who had their own money and wanted to earn a profit . Maybe when and if interest rates go up it might be beneficial to those who have their own financial money interests and want to earn a profit again . We will see .

That's what the new starters in this industry forget £50,000 stock this year needs £60,000 for next year to stand still This is why earning £400/£600 profit per sale doesn't work ,

They are always £500 behind the price , they know what they are doing , remember fighting for ages to get it to £1,500 now a cheap px is £2,495 so at 2k they are just £500 behind again . just shows where prices are going though . 2,000 went 2295 then moved to 2495 , now they are 2795 , soon be 3k for a starter car .

Talking of price markers I've sold a car that was £2,787 to HIGH AT said . The customer didn't see it on AT though Phew ,

Not a customer to sell a car too . Answer to your question is NO to extending 30 day return . Action should of been , " Mate go bother someone else if that's how you feel "

I can take your view on board , and i agree they are an afront to any sense we can think about , as to if its illegal I'm afraid I don't see that going anywhere really . Its very much like me posting that your stock is either over priced or under priced . The customer that reads my description can agree or disagree cant they but they cant stop me saying it and neither can you . We are looking at the possibility of NOT using Autotrader for our advertising , very carefully plotting every sale we make as to where that sale was tracked and found . This month we have sold 19 cars to date and out of 19 AT tracker calls have called on only 8 , 11 others came from Google . So the tide might indeed be turning because as each and every year that passes a new generation comes live on the car hunt and they have different ideas where to find cars . Not many 17 yrs olds even know what Autotrader is nowdays . Its all Google , Face book , and more Social Media . As take action I'm afraid my path is to find new ways to sell that doesn't include Autotrader or Car Guru

I think you you should be accountable so we know what the be jesus your bloody on about . What a dopey comment to put on a forum

I had AT on the phone again for 45 mins this morning regarding this subject of price markers . I have a car that's one of only a very few for sale , AT say i should sell at £17,303 retail to get a good marker I'm at £19,995 because of the extras fitted and condition of the car , this price was worked out by looking at retail prices , how long each garage had the car in stock , extras fitted against competitors . I still think I'm £500 less than where I should be too . My car is priced HIGH , They actually told me they take the prices of cars for sale times that by the number of cars and divide by same number for an average price , Bloody twats . While I'm talking to him I get an enquiry via my web site number , Guy searching on GOOGLE for that type of car , saw our web site and rang . NO Markers on Google , none on our web site and the result is its sold this morning after he popped down to see us , PX is a great car , with 12 k on finance to add to the deal , Collects Sat Morning . Asked him why he searches google and he says AT are to complicated now to use , He cant re Find the cars he looked at anymore , Doesn't understand the low , high , relevant pricing , the price markers confuse him somewhat as the low markers make him mistrust the dealer , High markers get in his head too much and he cant bring himself to ring them , cant find a car he's looking for with a GOOD marker on it , Just makes you wonder doesn't it at what level of pricing the same attitude of this guy becomes a problem for us all on AT and car Guru .

I just don't like the cost , perfectly at ease selling them cars on credit cards as far as section 75 goes , but bugger if I'm paying for their privilege of them getting air miles or whatever points they get , never had one turn down a sale when i say NO credit cards , debit card / bank transfer or finance only , and of course Credit card charge backs do happen too . Though I must admit its probably a last resort for them .

If you sold 4 out 7 its not going to be a weekly occurrence is the first thing . The other worry is if you sold 4 out 7 in a week then your too cheap and not earning enough to sustain a business, there will be lots of hidden costs to running a full time business , £300/to £500 wont pay the bills , servicing , repairs , rent , MOT , petrol costs , delivery costs , valet costs , insurance costs , trade plates , electric bills , advertising bills , internet bills , water bills , accountant bills , VAT bills , bills like , printers , pressure washers , waxes , cleaners , carpet cleaners , see where this is going cant you , bills that mean nothing now all of a sudden become huge costs and they are weekly /monthly costs . Project your profits that you think you may make and at best HALF them to put in reality .

Hi Welcome aboard . You have to keep receipts for a min of 6 years for HMRC tax purposes , you will need them for VAT purposes too to work out the VAT , You will need them for end of yr accounts also . Auctions are source of cars for sure , I find it simple to use them but I have no concept of fear at all buying cars . They can be intimidating places for the start ups and there is a lot to learn regarding Vendors , costs etc . As you move ahead with premise and VAT plus your wage you may find 40/50 cars a stretch to attain as money evaporates at start up level for a year or two , plus storing cleaning servicing and selling that amount of cars + storage costs will require staff and that's a whole new problem to pay for . You have to find that sweet spot of what you can manage regards numbers and expenses of people . 20 is a good number as a guide . The after expense profits £300/£500 are a slight concern to my way of thinking , but I cant comment as you don't mention age /type or price of stock sold . I do though wish all the very best in your new venture , Just remember this , Its what your EARN and not what you TURN that's the difference between succeeding and not . Its great fun though if your thick skinned , hard headed, brave ,and don't mind working 18/20 hour shifts 7 days a week tha'ts a joke really its only 15 hours

The wallies that work there go off reg letters , or simply guess . there's no science to it , just designed to cut work out so its cheaper . Seen them listed under 10 years with no picture grading .

New rules say we should display both the trade number and the cars reg