Dealer 54 Posted October 20, 2018 Makes me laugh as us dealers are liable for selling the car yet its manufacturers aren't even though they built the item and installed a lifetime chain in the engine. Hows that work then! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave2302 387 Posted October 21, 2018 14 hours ago, Dealer said: Makes me laugh as us dealers are liable for selling the car yet its manufacturers aren't even though they built the item and installed a lifetime chain in the engine. Hows that work then! That sums it up, very well put, it is of course the fault of all these know nothing wankers who make the stupid rules that tie us up in red tape !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick M.K. 574 Posted October 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Dealer said: Makes me laugh as us dealers are liable for selling the car yet its manufacturers aren't even though they built the item and installed a lifetime chain in the engine. Yes they are within their warranty period. At 9-10 years old in the hands of several careless owners that don't know the difference between Mobil 1 and Tripple QX it's a lottery if that part will last or not. We as dealers of USED goods play this lottery with every unit of stock and sometimes lose. Should your builder be responsible for the state of your roof 30 years (3 times the warranty period) after they built the house?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastyboy 23 Posted October 21, 2018 What i cant understand is 1970's Mercs seem to do 300,000 miles easily on a timing chain yet modern stuff struggle to go much past 100k on a chain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, lastyboy said: What i cant understand is 1970's Mercs seem to do 300,000 miles easily on a timing chain yet modern stuff struggle to go much past 100k on a chain. Manufacturers will dress it up as weight saving in order to meet new euro emissions standards. I put it down to them being penny pinching bastards when assembling the engine. Edited October 21, 2018 by Stalker Predictive text not predicting correctly 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave2302 387 Posted October 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, Stalker said: Manufacturers will dress it up as weight saving in order to meet new euro emissions standards. I put it down to them being penny pinching bastards when assembling the engine. That is exactly what it is, it is built to last it's lifetime which is 80 to 100 K miles !! And that is assuming, as Nick rightly said, that some tosser hasn't been running it on Aldi Oil, because his mate down the juicer says Oil is Oil, etc etc !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastyboy 23 Posted October 21, 2018 Bicycle chains are thicker than the 3 cylinder 1.0 Corsa chains. No wonder they dont last long. However the correct oil and changed regularly is the most important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's me 615 Posted October 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, lastyboy said: Bicycle chains are thicker than the 3 cylinder 1.0 Corsa chains. No wonder they dont last long. However the correct oil and changed regularly is the most important. this never happens though the most tight arses of the motoring public buy these cars and never spend one penny theres one down the road from me its so loud it makes me cringe how can you live with such a thing also quality filters that dont turn to mush plus many garages as well as joe soap still think oil is oil so chuck some semi 10/40 down its hole 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marc 6 Posted October 21, 2018 How poignant. I had corsa and Audi tt in garage for mot and oil change.. Audi is high mileage with over 150k, the ea113 engine, one owner and 17stamps in the book, meticulously cared for anyhow was pottering about yesterday and the tone of both engines wasn't to my liking.. Check oil and both over filled ,check receipt ..both over filled with cheap shit. Semi synthetic eBay crap.. Raging! I changed oil on both yesterday so no damage done but that was dear service stamps and now very wary of garage. Usually supply my own oil if I need the stamp in book but I didn't envisage mechanics filling a tt with shit or indeed a 4yr old corsa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave2302 387 Posted October 22, 2018 50% plus of Mechanics are un qualified know nothings !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's me 615 Posted October 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Dave2302 said: 50% plus of Mechanics are un qualified know nothings !! mechanics dont even like being called mechanics they havent for 20 years brainwashed by the establishment (technicians) 50% are fitters at best and then they only fit on what a fault code says frightening and damming in my opinion but hey ho at least the other 50$ are true and good .......... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCS01 27 Posted October 22, 2018 It is scary some of the techs I have worked with in main dealers. In the last 6 months (in a main prestige) franchise I have had a set of pads put in the wrong way in a car and a car brought up to display that the tech missed the under bonnet sound proofing. Plus a couple of trade losses on buy backs that couldn’t be fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Horgan 564 Posted October 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, DCS01 said: It is scary some of the techs I have worked with in main dealers. In the last 6 months (in a main prestige) franchise I have had a set of pads put in the wrong way in a car and a car brought up to display that the tech missed the under bonnet sound proofing. Plus a couple of trade losses on buy backs that couldn’t be fixed Seen that with Audi Main dealer , same dealer serviced an A4 to 70k miles and when we took the oil filter off the filter was like mushy tissue paper . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave2302 387 Posted October 22, 2018 Agree with all of you !! It's disgusting that's what it is Trouble is, if the Mechanic is any good and got half a brain he will not work for the peanuts he gets PAYE, so he will set up on his own as an Indie specialising in whatever............ >> a year or 2 and he will be booking 2 to 3 weeks in advance, just like my own Workshop, currently booking for mid November now. I actually don't want to be this busy, but I'm not knocking it !! I have a ton of my own stuff to finish off. I would take on a decent Mechanic, but there's the rub, can't find one .......................... I wouldn't employ any of the "so calleds" who live round here, I see there pathetic and sometimes downright dangerous repair attempts a lot, as their customers end up through my doors !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHM 994 Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, tradex said: When dropping my daughter off to school I often look and listern at the cars around me....professional interest. Late Astra thats sounds like a swarm of woodpeckers" under the bonnet, for last 6 months, how it hasn't exploded is anyones guess....its crying out for oil.. 2x Rangies sitting on slicks, one of the owners which we know...."can't afford new tyres, get them at MOT time"....err right. Well make that nearly every 4x4 over a year old. A V70 that billows out black smoke like an 80's racing truck....actually leaves black marks going up the road... An E class Merc with a timing chain rattle on start up that sounds so painful it makes me cringe. Clio RS Liquid yellow 66 plate, a real enthusiasts choice with not a straight wheel or panel on it, battered beyond belief, the interior is like a f*cking skip, was bought at 6 months old and simply lovely... I remember seeing it and thinking what a stunning eyeful of a car and what a great shout..well it was. I could go on. No wonder the current px gear is rough as a badgers arse. Hahaha, I often do the school run & it’s a right eye opener. Timing chains screaming their f***ing tits off, mirrors hanging off and any shitty old Chav-spec RRSport or X5 always seem to be sat on bald tyres of pisspoor brands. There seems to be a roaring trade locally in runners (secondhand tyres), I wouldn’t waste my time getting such shit fitted. Punters nowadays are too lazy to even wash their cars, punters (and many mechanics) don’t understand the importance of the correct oil and doubtlessly the quality of the chains are pisspoor - especially VWs which have obviously been pared to the bone for a small cost saving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted October 23, 2018 I remember last year doing the school run and I heard a 1.9 golf that had thrown a leg out of bed still being driven! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tradegirl 112 Posted October 23, 2018 On 20/10/2018 at 1:03 PM, Dealer said: Had a call today that a vehicle we sold over 4 months ago has had a timing chain snap, we offer 3 months warranty as standard and I'm looking for any advice on where we stand with this. Car had done approx 100k, no signs of any noise while it was in our possession and drove fine to us and when we used it prior to sale. Anyone on here had a similar scenario? We've had about 10 of these repaired by a BMW specialist. His answer is "It just happens". N47 engines are notorious for this, and I think the N43s are too. No rhyme or reason, just a pain in the arse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, tradex said: that tops it all! The smoke that was coming out of the underneath was quite impressive! I heard it for about a week and then i didn't hear it again after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andymc1973 199 Posted October 23, 2018 14 hours ago, BHM said: Hahaha, I often do the school run & it’s a right eye opener. Timing chains screaming their f***ing tits off, mirrors hanging off and any shitty old Chav-spec RRSport or X5 always seem to be sat on bald tyres of pisspoor brands. There seems to be a roaring trade locally in runners (secondhand tyres), I wouldn’t waste my time getting such shit fitted. Punters nowadays are too lazy to even wash their cars, punters (and many mechanics) don’t understand the importance of the correct oil and doubtlessly the quality of the chains are pisspoor - especially VWs which have obviously been pared to the bone for a small cost saving. does no one just look at the fanny? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave2302 387 Posted October 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, andymc1973 said: does no one just look at the fanny? MILF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Perrins 0 Posted January 22, 2020 I had this after 49,000 miles. BMW wanted £12,500 to fix it....i complained. BMW offered £10,000 discount...the car was only worth £9,000...dealer wouldnt move so I took BMW to Onbudsman ...and won...timing chain is a known fault. Bmw had to fix car FREE IF CHARGE and give me 6 months of payment installments back. Got it back and swapped for AUDI...I'd never buy BMW again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Horgan 564 Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, John Perrins said: I had this after 49,000 miles. BMW wanted £12,500 to fix it....i complained. BMW offered £10,000 discount...the car was only worth £9,000...dealer wouldnt move so I took BMW to Onbudsman ...and won...timing chain is a known fault. Bmw had to fix car FREE IF CHARGE and give me 6 months of payment installments back. Got it back and swapped for AUDI...I'd never buy BMW again Out the frying pan into the fire with Audi pal . Should have bought a 6 cylinder BMW diesel or petrol , Audi OMG the list is endless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Del Boy 76 Posted January 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, David Horgan said: Out the frying pan into the fire with Audi pal . Should have bought a 6 cylinder BMW diesel or petrol , Audi OMG the list is endless Audi?? Good luck, you’ll need it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
