HaHa, Completely agree ,they were laying into someone called Basil when I last looked, looked again today and its still going on! Cant believe it, very entertaining until they turned nasty on him, that's what I like about this forum, no bullyboy tactics, there's more respect for peoples opinions because its open even if people don't put there names and details on here - so what?. Not one or two opinionated people driving their own agenda in a secret little dark clubroom. And I reckon that Beth's one of those avatars, its really a hairy arsed developer called Geoff from Wigan