Ford Ecoboost engine failure

[DCS01 27]

Morning,

I was going to search the forum, but all of the icons seem to have gone a bit odd on my phone. 
 

I sold a 62 plate 1.0 focus done 60k a couple of months ago. Full Ford history only done about 6 months ago.  Yesterday he gets towed in to me, need to investigate but looks like no coolant and engine over heated.

Did a bit of investigation last night and looks like Ford may pay if the engine failure was caused by a known coolant pipe issue.  
 

Has anyone had experience of this? The Ford website doesn’t mention about age, it just says they will cover it.  Just wondering before I go to the trouble of getting it trailered to Ford. Otherwise it’s probably a new engine which I would like to avoid obvs.

thanks in advance

[MarkTVS 209]

We had a similar issue recently for another trader but everyone told us to avoid attempting to replace the hg, it did end up going to Ford and getting sorted, I don’t think it was under warranty though

[DCS01 27]

The HG is given a stupid amount of time to do the job so it will be cheaper for new engine. 

[David Horgan 564]

Trader near us had this issue , took it to Ford and they replaced the engine , that had done around the same 60k .

Was going to court over it he was till they convinced Ford to take it on , then the customer was told to take in their self as the public get it done quicker and get a courtesy car too . might be the way out of your hair 

[DCS01 27]

Thanks David, by the looks I should have some joy with Ford. Luckily my customer is very chilled and a nice guy. I will get him to ring Ford.

 

[Stalker 180]

Supposedly recon exchange engines from ford are £900 + vat?

 

 

[DCS01 27]

That is welcome news if true

[Frank Cannon 812]

Was offered a  px 1.0 Ecobroke 2015 with 100k up it this week, lovely nick, all the history but, bottled it. Drove fine, sounded fine but......

Problem, as I see it, is simply that the coolant sensor is located too high in the engine and, just ends up measuring air not coolant when the engine springs a leak....similar to Stag, Dolly Sprints n TR7 for the old farts amoungst us

Edited November 17, 2020 by Frank Cannon

[BHM 994]

2 hours ago, Stalker said:

Supposedly recon exchange engines from ford are £900 + vat?

 

 

If that’s true cheaper than a secondhand unit.......unless purchased from one of the bad lads 

[Frank Cannon 812]

From my old Ford R&D moles...and yes, I had to question the figure but, was assured 100% correct. 

Supposedly cost to manufacturer a 1.0 litre, out of the door, is just a shade under £300....£278 from memory, that was a few years back....volume manufacturing is staggeringly economic. 

[Scooby who 41]

I have sold at least 20 of these time bombs with no issues whatsoever!

First I never buy them with more that 70,000 miles and always with FSH.

From my personal experience the main issues are leaks on the coolant pipe returning from the turbo to the expansion tank and also the coolant expansion tank itself.

The tanks themselves just fracture on the underside from the excess heat of the coolant resulting in all the coolant leaking out.

 

I change the tank and pipe on EVERY car I sell and tell the customer to change both again every 2 years. Never had an issue!

 

If Ford had the cop on to fit a coolant level warning, or even offer a retro fit option they would have saved themselves a lot of issues 

[metcars 397]

56 minutes ago, Scooby who said:

I have sold at least 20 of these time bombs with no issues whatsoever!

First I never buy them with more that 70,000 miles and always with FSH.

From my personal experience the main issues are leaks on the coolant pipe returning from the turbo to the expansion tank and also the coolant expansion tank itself.

The tanks themselves just fracture on the underside from the excess heat of the coolant resulting in all the coolant leaking out.

 

I change the tank and pipe on EVERY car I sell and tell the customer to change both again every 2 years. Never had an issue!

 

If Ford had the cop on to fit a coolant level warning, or even offer a retro fit option they would have saved themselves a lot of issues 

To be fair, Ford coolant reservoirs are the greatest story ever told? But then like many manufacturers there ‘focus’ is in the first three years of ownership, and not really at all after 5/6yrs. Ten years make it EOL? Like electronics and white goods, they don’t want them to last forever, they want you to keep buying new ones.

[BHM 994]

42 minutes ago, metcars said:

Ten years

Only 10 years? In my experience some punters buying a 10 yr old car expect trouble free motoring for another 10!  Questions such as “It will pass next year’s MOT, won’t it?” always warm the cockles of my heart.

[Frank Cannon 812]

11 minutes ago, BHM said:

Only 10 years? In my experience some punters buying a 10 yr old car expect trouble free motoring for another 10!  Questions such as “It will pass next year’s MOT, won’t it?” always warm the cockles of my heart.

"can you guarantee, it won't break down in the next three years...?"

I had a "can u say this car will nefer do less than 40 miles as I ave to comoot 350 miles ery week n kneed to no my xpensis" this week too....I don't what shocked me more, the question or the ladies spelling

2 hours ago, Scooby who said:

I have sold at least 20 of these time bombs with no issues whatsoever!

First I never buy them with more that 70,000 miles and always with FSH.

From my personal experience the main issues are leaks on the coolant pipe returning from the turbo to the expansion tank and also the coolant expansion tank itself.

The tanks themselves just fracture on the underside from the excess heat of the coolant resulting in all the coolant leaking out.

 

I change the tank and pipe on EVERY car I sell and tell the customer to change both again every 2 years. Never had an issue!

 

If Ford had the cop on to fit a coolant level warning, or even offer a retro fit option they would have saved themselves a lot of issues 

ka...boomm (no pun intended)

 

....as they say around these parts "don't talk it up"

[metcars 397]

Funny story on Ford plastic coolant tanks. Years ago I took my daughter (16) with me to pick up a cmax I’d bought at the block. We hit traffic on the way back and I told my daughter I could smell coolant? She said said is it us? And I said said I think so. And she said is it the plastic tank! Lol

[David Horgan 564]

On 11/28/2020 at 12:57 PM, Frank Cannon said:

I had a "can u say this car will nefer do less than 40 miles as I ave to comoot 350 miles ery week n kneed to no my xpensis" this week too....I don't what shocked me more, the question or the ladies spelling

I had to read that a number of times to get it Haha

5 hours ago, metcars said:

Funny story on Ford plastic coolant tanks. Years ago I took my daughter (16) with me to pick up a cmax I’d bought at the block. We hit traffic on the way back and I told my daughter I could smell coolant? She said said is it us? And I said said I think so. And she said is it the plastic tank! Lol

She your tech now then  clever girl 

On 11/28/2020 at 12:37 PM, BHM said:

Only 10 years? In my experience some punters buying a 10 yr old car expect trouble free motoring for another 10!  Questions such as “It will pass next year’s MOT, won’t it?” always warm the cockles of my heart.

I love that question 

[Halfpenny 114]

We have sold a fair number of Ecoboost 3-cyl and also see a fair number in for service. I would agree that they are not built for the long haul and we've even seen low mileage (less than 10k !!) with a busted cooling system. They run very hot, small coolant volume and inferior materials. In addition to coolant hoses and tanks we've seen leaking cabin matrix and leaks where the hose joins the matrix.

If the car has full history and a cooling failure then Ford may repair under goodwill - but it seems hit and miss.

I don't like any of these small turbo'd engines - they're all running on a knife edge and difficult to work on.

[Frank Cannon 812]

22 hours ago, Halfpenny said:

We have sold a fair number of Ecoboost 3-cyl and also see a fair number in for service. I would agree that they are not built for the long haul and we've even seen low mileage (less than 10k !!) with a busted cooling system. They run very hot, small coolant volume and inferior materials. In addition to coolant hoses and tanks we've seen leaking cabin matrix and leaks where the hose joins the matrix.

If the car has full history and a cooling failure then Ford may repair under goodwill - but it seems hit and miss.

I don't like any of these small turbo'd engines - they're all running on a knife edge and difficult to work on.

This

[Dave2302 387]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:20 PM, Halfpenny said:

they're all running on a knife edge and difficult to work on.

Exactly this !! .....................................................................

 

And then you get the twunt owner, who see's the EML come on and tells everyone, "It's driving OK I don't need to spend money" until ..................... BANG !!

[Frank Cannon 812]

Or like the lady last week trying to tell me the EML being illuminated meant "everything was ok with the engine"....mine was off so apparently had a problem worthy of a £700 discount and "take a chance" 

.....FFS I thought I'd heard it all but, the Joe Public will never cease to amaze me

[David Horgan 564]

1 hour ago, Frank Cannon said:

Or like the lady last week trying to tell me the EML being illuminated meant "everything was ok with the engine"....mine was off so apparently had a problem worthy of a £700 discount and "take a chance" 

.....FFS I thought I'd heard it all but, the Joe Public will never cease to amaze me

My god that's just one for the memory bank , Stupid woman 

[BHM 994]

5 hours ago, Frank Cannon said:

Or like the lady last week trying to tell me the EML being illuminated meant "everything was ok with the engine"....mine was off so apparently had a problem worthy of a £700 discount and "take a chance" 

.....FFS I thought I'd heard it all but, the Joe Public will never cease to amaze me

 That’s a new one on me.

[Frank Cannon 812]

I should try that one for TPS error on my CRV

[David Horgan 564]

7 hours ago, Frank Cannon said:

I should try that one for TPS error on my CRV

Haha , yep that tells you the tyres are still there , not been stolen madam , see that light and drive with confidence  

T yre  P rotection  S ystem 

[Frank Cannon 812]

17 hours ago, David Horgan said:

Haha , yep that tells you the tyres are still there , not been stolen madam , see that light and drive with confidence  

T yre  P rotection  S ystem 

Do you want a job sir 

How about ABS light....?

A ll   B rakes   S erviceable?