Paul C

In fact, yes, the answer is indeed 7. They are applying the extensions 7 days before the MoT runs out, so that if they change their mind they haven't already extended an MoT and then need to retract it.

To be fair, Russia is quite a big place. Poland, not so much.

Is it fair to say 10-20yr old cars which are more durable these days than the equivalent age range 10 years ago? I'm thinking, the adoption of OBD2, maturity of electronics (compared to manufacturers first attempts at it, after the carburettor era), not so much cost cutting, complex systems etc we see in some of today's less reliable cars?

I don't think the "its a legal obligation" washes. In the spirit of the regulations, there's something wrong with creating a legal obligation then fulfilling it to work around the intent of the regulation. The other retailers who are offering "click and collect" are ones which are allowed to be open anyway; they are choosing to offer click and collect as an option amongst getting it delivered (time delay) and visiting the store (infection transmission risk/exposure to staff/H&S etc). It seems a reasonable prudent thing to do for a shop who's allowed to open. But car dealers (physical premises) aren't allowed to open. Yes, the service department is but the showroom isn't, its pretty clear in the guidelines which bits are and aren't. Ironically (I'm not suggesting it though.....) there is a way round. There are shops which sell both essential and non-essential items - eg supermarkets are selling gardening stuff, trampolines, laptops, etc. This is naturally, winding the garden centres etc up!!! I have always taken the precaution of buying a pint of milk along with a trampoline, you're probably the same yourself (or maybe waiting a little while before I buy that shiny new trampoline). In theory if you put a couple of tins of baked beans on a shelf in a car showroom.......

Scrappage scheme or not, the new car (and the high end secondhand) is propped up by finance. I have a feeling a sensible government wouldn't keep propping it up because if they did so, it would collapse sooner or later. Also I think customers aren't stupid any more, those who can afford a new car can remember the 2009 recession and demand will go down - a lot - irrespective of an artificial government incentive. Also it targets only a fraction of those who might need help anyway - banger>new car is quite unusual. I sense the car industry will (have to) make the "adjustment" themselves - and it will be brutal for the UK. If you're involved in screwing together cars in the UK, or screwing new car customers on PCPs, use this time to learn a new skill.

Maybe we should have a "reverse" scrappage scheme? The environmental emissions targets for 2040 are now met, due to the massive inactivity and downturn in the economy, with an amount of wiggle room too. Oil has crashed too. Oh and 2/3 of the petrol stations went out of business so your car needs 200+ miles range to get anywhere. So we don't actually need to ponce about with overly expensive electric cars any more. As an incentive to keep bangers going, they'll suspend the entire MoT scheme for a bit too. Said in jest of course, but there's an element of truth in it!!

I have a funny feeling there won't be a scrappage scheme, or anything which incentivises buyers to buy (expensive) cars. The government will be under immense pressure from all areas of business, car manufacture is some way down on that list compared to others (pubs & restaurants?) A quote I like from one of these coronavirus documentaries: "If someone tells you they know what's going to happen in the future, they're lying".

Yeah that's the thing though......he's sloppy, but I don't think (I never did find the underlying legislation though) he's actually breaking the law, I have a suspicion its 28 days and in any case, it would be very difficult to bring any action against the dealer. The reason you're stuck isn't the dealer's fault but the need to go abroad combined with the consequences of the lockdown because of the virus. Others (eg I think it was Ford, on one of the videocasts) have done exceptional things for their customers, in these exceptional times; for key workers who needed a car they "sold" them one and supplied a courtesy car which was ready to go in the meantime, I guess once lockdown eases they'll have the original purchased car prepped and ready to swap over. Usually you can spot a good dealer over a bad dealer - the bad ones are either blindingly obvious, or are also bad at hiding their sloppiness. Out of curiousity what price range are we talking about? £2k or £20k?

There are good dealers and bad dealers.

Ask the dealer to supply you with a courtesy or rental car?

99.9% of the cars the bloke will be looking at will have a funny MoT history though - it doesn't place that car at any disadvantage. So the car with lined up 12 month ones won't have an advantage. Now, servicing........

I went off this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-mots-for-cars-vans-and-motorcycles-due-from-30-march-2020

Published on 25th March 2020: "Your car, van or motorcycle’s MOT expiry date will be extended by 6 months if it’s due on or after 30 March 2020" What happened was, a small fraction of vehicles with an MoT due 25-30th March HAD TO get an MoT pretty damn quick, before all the MoT places shut up shop (they could have stayed open but hardly any of them did/are doing), otherwise it would leave them without a valid MoT. If your vehicle had an MoT eg 1st June 2020, it would get the 6 month extension to 1st December. If it had an MoT to 28th Feb 2021; it will extend to 28th Aug 2021. etc. I guess they did this to prevent a "doubling of cars needing an MoT" when garages were obligated to re-open, around 30th September. a 6 month pause then restart, if you like. Of course, what its effect is that MoT stations no longer have any commercial incentive to stay open and do MoTs until 30th Sept, because the only ones which would need it are those cars whose MoT had expired previous to 30th March but now need to get back onto the road. A case of "if you had it, you don't need it; but if you didn't have it and need it you can't get it".

He has a small section at the front labelled "BINCA RETAIL" where he sells the posh/better condition cars from. The majority are BINCA.

Isn't the steering wheel on the wrong side?

They only deliver now, no collections.

99.9% of cars will have an MoT history with an 18 month gap around the year 2020, I think it will be a non-issue.

Temperature testing and wearing of masks is completely irrelevant. There simply isn't the accuracy in a handheld thermometer to be useful. Also, masks.....they're only really useful if you actually have the virus to stop spreading it to others, and only then if its not valved; and if you have the virus the current guidelines are to stay at home and self-isolate. Staff wearing masks.....probably make infection transmissability worse! N100 (FFP3) Mask + face visor + apron + gloves in a care setting (ie if need to get closer than the 2m or so) is effective IF they are taken off using proper aseptic technique, pretty useless otherwise. Are car dealers going to "suit up" then go for a test drive? Then be trained (nurses all have a degree now) to remove and dispose of them safely? Or keep them on all day? "Plain old" social distancing ie keeping your distance would work. Except it jars with selling. No more trying to get the customer inside, then to sit down any more. Its bad enough in a spacious posh showroom but most other places are, errrr.....cramped? And sitting in the back in a test drive.......not really. Same goes for any dealer who is going in now deep cleaning after a few weeks not at work......you know its already dead, don't you? Viruses don't survive outside their host.....this is GCSE Science stuff...... Given they're basically ineffective, temp testing and masks are likely to give a false sense of security meaning the ACTUAL measures which do prevent spread are not as well applied, meaning Reffective would be worse.

Indeed! Any realistically accurate market information is 1) historical 2) based on actual buy-sell prices of sales. Then what usually happens is trends or significant factors are taken into account by statisticians/economic experts, to make a future prediction which might/might not be accurate. The fact is, the market is (obviously) paused at the moment so its impossible to gain any understanding of demand. And the upcoming factors to influence the market are largely unknown (we don't even know when lockdown is lifted? How? What Government influence or stimulus will occur, if any etc) Any comparisons with the 2007-8 recession need to be taken with a big pinch of salt. The best thing you can do? Be adaptable to a wide range of scenarios which might occur and not tie yourself up in debt. And if you're going to make an assumption, that cheap cars will do well and expensive ones won't, is as good as any.

Another aspect is 2nd car ownership - it doesn't take much of a change in use (especially combined with a recession or future economic uncertainty) for households with 2+ cars to make the saving and only use one. I am sure you can work out that a bit more working from home and a bit less socialising will have an effect here. Also one thing I've seen is a certain amount of "talking up" the bounceback; or the stability in car values. The fact is, the car industry can only control the supply side of the equation and as shown in other posts and predictions, we don't know how big the recession will be. Entire sectors of the economy - like, pubs & restaurants - are wiped out. I've seen 20-35% contraction reported. I think it will hit home only when a big scalp is gone - ie a big franchise (in addition to Lookers, who are dead anyway); perhaps even a big manufacturer such as Ford or BMW will go too.

For sure, there will be an amount of hysteresis in behaviours - more people working from home, less people using public transport. But don't forget also, longer term 1-3 years people will remember how clear the air was, and environmental considerations will be back with a bang! I predict any older diesel, or petrol cars over about group G tax, will be "encouraged" to no longer exist, either by some more daft rules in the MoT or a scrappage scheme or simply a raise in fuel prices for the petrols. Plug in hybrids will do another U turn and VW will actually finish writing the software for their ID3!

VW Beetle has got to be up there? Or something like Caterham or Morgan? Or Land Rover (the original one!) if you include the Defender etc

Its entirely down to interpretation. Cazoo interpreted the situation as being able to deliver, even before the recent clarification.

Its one of the few cars I remember from the era (the other being Golf GTI). I drove a Vauxhall diesel, I honestly thought it was broken. It wasn't.

I'm not 100% sure there is the need for an artificial incentive scheme like the previous scrappage scheme, but if they do do something I think it ought to also tackle pollution and other environmental considerations. So that might mean the reintroduction of a government contribution to EVs. Or......scrappage only for older diesels(!).