Brexit scaremongering

[Stephen 21]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bmw-car-plant-brexit-day-29-oxford-jobs-factory-a8542996.html

BMW ANNOUNCE ONE MONTH SHUT DOWN DAY AFTER BREXIT

[trade vet 697]

1 hour ago, Stephen said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bmw-car-plant-brexit-day-29-oxford-jobs-factory-a8542996.html

BMW ANNOUNCE ONE MONTH SHUT DOWN DAY AFTER BREXIT

They always shut down for a month.They are just bringing it forward to Brexit time in case a ‘no deal’ happens and confusion may effect their supplies.They have already said,they are not going anywhere.It would take years to establish another Mini plant elsewhere.Its,the same with Nissan and Airbus.

[Nick M.K. 574]

30 minutes ago, trade vet said:

It would take years to establish another Mini plant elsewhere.Its,the same with Nissan and Airbus.

In a no deal (or a bad deal which now seems more likely) Brexit said 3 companies will definitely go. Their "just on time" manufacturing model will simply not work with the increased road travel times and customs checks. Plus, why make something for an export market that will have tariffs slapped on it. Wales (Airbus) and the North East (Renault / Nissan) voting leave made no sense to me at the time. It makes a lot less sense now. Sad story really. Everything WAS going so well. 

[metcars 395]

On 18/09/2018 at 5:56 PM, Nick M.K. said:

In a no deal (or a bad deal which now seems more likely) Brexit said 3 companies will definitely go. Their "just on time" manufacturing model will simply not work with the increased road travel times and customs checks. Plus, why make something for an export market that will have tariffs slapped on it. Wales (Airbus) and the North East (Renault / Nissan) voting leave made no sense to me at the time. It makes a lot less sense now. Sad story really. Everything WAS going so well. 

It's amazing how many people have no idea what a supply chain is?

[Nick M.K. 574]

2 hours ago, met said:

It's amazing how many people have no idea what a supply chain is?

A chain is a chain isn't it... One single link breaks and the engine grinds to a halt. I am glad I am not employed in manufacturing or to supply a manufacturer or to provide them with services. 

What I will agree with is that for dealers in Wales in the North East buying cheap stock should become easier when owners begin selling en masse to stop the monthly payments. A Nationwide sales model with video, advance deposits and free delivery should ensure they have someone to sell that stock to. 

[Area 51 33]

On 18/09/2018 at 5:56 PM, Nick M.K. said:

Their "just on time" manufacturing model will simply not work with the increased road travel times and customs checks.

Probable the DHL/UPS supply chain pro's are have staff in each country of their customers to overcome these issues, customs will be dealt with onsite before shipping take place. Its cleared before its shipped.

Plus, why make something for an export market that will have tariffs slapped on it.

Really going to be the case with "tarrif slapping" that it will work both ways.. it really is that simple both sides need each other!

Wales (Airbus) and the North East (Renault / Nissan) voting leave made no sense to me at the time. It makes a lot less sense now. Sad story really. Everything WAS going so well. 

Airbus has collapsing sales, Boeing have nailed them since 2017; A380 doesnt have orders, best Airbus hide this behind vote leave.. Airbus wouldnt survive without UAE/Emirates investment end of..  Reduced new car registrations for most manufacturers reported.. therefore blame vote leave..

 

 

[Nick M.K. 574]

I am no expert in aircraft production but I know how to pull a few figures quickly. I have attached them here, hope the formatting is right. The collapsing sales Airbus has a current order book (as in SOLD, all time) of 18812 aircraft of which 11397 have been made and delivered. This leaves around 7415 to still be manufactured (a small number of these orders will be cancelled or converted but they grow by hundreds in a year). Why would the good people of Airbus be anything other than very proud of this and need to "hide behind votes"...

 

 

By Model			A220-100			A220-300			A318			A319ceo			A319neo			A320ceo			A320neo			A321ceo			A321neo				A300			A310				A330-200			A330-200F			A330-300			A330-800			A330-900				A340-200/300				A340-500/600				A350-900			A350-1000				A380				TOTAL
Orders			123			279			80			1489			56			4770			4101			1800			1985				561			255				662			42			787						224				246				131				722			168				331				18812
Deliveries			8			34			80			1470						4652			356			1687			78				561			255				630			38			749										246				131				188			5				229				11397
In Operation			8			34			67			1443						4345			356			1665			78				237			75				615			38			728										134				130				188			5				229				10375

Edited September 20, 2018 by Nick M.K.

[Row 71]

Are you quiet Nick :-)

[Nick M.K. 574]

Not as quiet as Airbus. 

[Rory RSC 596]

1 hour ago, Nick M.K. said:

Not as quiet as Airbus. 

[It's me 612]

8 minutes ago, Rory RSC said:

that went right over my head

[Area 51 33]

Good for you for finding some numbers so fast; I was referring to the A380; this one has some parts made in the UK (wings are at Broughton) https://www.ft.com/content/113efb4e-f9e2-11e7-9b32-d7d59aace167

I'm not sure where your numbers came from, however they show all A380 are "in service" when in fact there are already some retired/on verge of being scrapped as this a/c is too expensive to operate.. Also read somewhere the military transport Airbus make (propellor a/c) has seen a drop in sales, parts for this are made in Bristol (wings again I think)..

Airbus supply chain will never be interrupted, unless they have a drop in sales, they have their own freighter a/c flying daily between Airbus manufacturing airports around the EU.

I'd dare say it will be quiet at Airbus, I had a great time at Farmborugh this summer as a guest of Boeing... a good customer of mine (my brother) has been an instructor for them for 12yr https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/09/15/boeing-beats-airbus-again-with-strong-august-order.aspx

For the Airbus production lines to work, they need orders from customers worldwide - its nothing to do with leave vote ~

its Airbus that have taken an opportunity to hide behind it..

[Nick M.K. 574]

1 minute ago, Area 51 said:

its Airbus that have taken an opportunity to hide behind it..

The numbers are straight from their Orders & Deliveries page on their website. They are accurate. The first two Singapore Airlines 380s were stored in France for a while, one just started flying for a Portugese wet lease operator. Numbers get updated monthly with new orders and deliveries, scrapped aircraft etc. They show thousands of planes that still need to be built (320s and 350s mostly) and it would take them approx 10 years to build them all. They have around 35 more 380s to build, another 5 years give or take. 

[Area 51 33]

Just now, Nick M.K. said:

The numbers are straight from their Orders & Deliveries page on their website. They are accurate. The first two Singapore Airlines 380s were stored in France for a while, one just started flying for a Portugese wet lease operator. Numbers get updated monthly with new orders and deliveries, scrapped aircraft etc. They show thousands of planes that still need to be built (320s and 350s mostly) and it would take them approx 10 years to build them all. They have around 35 more 380s to build, another 5 years give or take. 

All positive stuff then

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.. been there, got the t-shirt, took the cash - I'm out 

[Nick M.K. 574]

7 minutes ago, Area 51 said:

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going

Sorry, can't help with that but Mr Trump will be happy to hear it :-)

[Area 51 33]

He will Nick, Boeing snaffled up Bombardier year and saved loads of jobs in Northern Ireland; probably the best heavy industry left over there! His airline Trump Shuttle flew Boeings (727's) in the 90's. The business I was in helped him operate them due to FAA paperwork "discrepancies" for over a year.. Got to meet the man himself in NYC & Dublin (maintenance), would like to think he may still take a call now (in my wettest dreams), never sold him a car though.. He was a business man, just wanted it sorted & paying its way..

Donald loves his a/c... His latest 757 is nicer than AF One.. media never covers the fact he sends that 757 around the US on humanitarian flights for handicap/seriously ill citizens, people the airlines wont carry.. He has always done this with his fleet, even removing seating for first aid support, at his own expense (well tax deductibles not just now he is POTUS

Best quit yapping and get back to motors.. my other passion apart from anything with wings! Over and out

[Arfur Dealy 823]

It’ll all work out in the end, it’s in everyone’s interest  

[trade vet 697]

13 hours ago, Area 51 said:

He will Nick, Boeing snaffled up Bombardier year and saved loads of jobs in Northern Ireland; probably the best heavy industry left over there! His airline Trump Shuttle flew Boeings (727's) in the 90's. The business I was in helped him operate them due to FAA paperwork "discrepancies" for over a year.. Got to meet the man himself in NYC & Dublin (maintenance), would like to think he may still take a call now (in my wettest dreams), never sold him a car though.. He was a business man, just wanted it sorted & paying its way..

Donald loves his a/c... His latest 757 is nicer than AF One.. media never covers the fact he sends that 757 around the US on humanitarian flights for handicap/seriously ill citizens, people the airlines wont carry.. He has always done this with his fleet, even removing seating for first aid support, at his own expense (well tax deductibles not just now he is POTUS

Best quit yapping and get back to motors.. my other passion apart from anything with wings! Over and out

Hi Area 51 ...Been on a Virgin 787 ,it was great,super smooth and quiet.Unfortunateley when it landed ,it couldn’t get parked at LAX,we had to wait for an hour.Hope you have photo of you and The Donald in your office.

[metcars 395]

8 hours ago, trade vet said:

........................Hope you have photo of you and The Donald in your office.

Not the porn shoot ones