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It's very much like reality TV advertising, build a set and then let the public vote/express their views which gives the dealer ratings. All well and good but you're letting people vote on things they may not fully understand. Rory experienced a bad review because the customer felt wasn't happy about a px value, I can see more of this happening in the 'Car Guru' model, people venting because they don't get their own way basically. The way he talks about the 'condition' of cars shows a complete lack of understanding too, a basic HPI type check doesn't make the car good condition, it may not have finance or be a CAT C but it could have poor paint on each panel, smell of dog and fags. He talks about dealer pricing to get a 'fair deal' marker but surely that undermines the very concept of a review type site, the word 'Great' is stronger then 'Fair'. Who wants to take someone out for a 'fair' meal when for the same money it can be a 'great' meal. It's yet another case of a company getting data and trying to sell it back somebody, be it a dealer or customer in a different way. The problem is the data it corrupt because a car is about how it looks and drives which data can't tell you. It also discounts many maintenance issues such as DSG or Haldex oil changes, type of tyre fitted etc so in a way it restricts the quality of the product the customer end up with.

Do we want a thread about the referendum, or is there a danger it will just end up as a dreary, shouty thing, like all the other debates? I suspect there are many conflicting views amongst us, but are we bothered enough to share them?

out because im old enough to have a real reason these people who really think their houses are going to devalue by 20% need to start reading real newspapers for those that dont understand where the eu is going i suggest they dont vote at all hows that

Thanks Gavin, You've just saved 30 minutes of my time. No disrespect to the guys and girls at TPTV, but at this moment in time I'm not really interested in what Langley has to say. We are on different pages, of different books and I'm quite happy with my bedtime reading.

Very sad news for us, but congratulations to you - flying high outside of the motor industry sounds just as much fun as flying high within it. Wishing you the best of luck. Keep dropping by and letting us know how you get on!

The rules always have been and more important than ever now , The original number plate must be covered and not displayed , the issue now is if you plate gets picked up by an anpr camera it will show the car is not taxed and you get fined regardless the plates are in the front & rear window. You need cover the plates your insurance company is wrong , hence on the MID your trade plates should be noted.

Asked same/similar - The customer is actually mislead if they advise them about 'best buy' as its only price lead and not as you say spec/dealer reputation etc etc - so in reality its not 'best buy' for the consumer ! ++

I had three test drives today two of the customers went back to planet mars and the third bought a car so cant complain

Let's be honest, it was BCA and their staples that has made you leave. Good luck.

http://www.bmwvin.com For BMWs although if you ring customer services they will tell you, they will also confirm the P11d price should you need it.

...and they're all called Mrs Chismer. Alma Chismer. As in... "Alma Chismer car worth? If I was to PX it." "So, we're going to be helping you to buy a car today?" "Maybe" "What car are you looking to buy?" "I don't know yet...errrrr...how about that black one on the corner.... Alma Chismer car worth against that?" *sigh*