Earunder 69 Posted September 23, 2019 Can anyone recommend any decent key programming tools / equipment / software. Must be for the vehicle below: Main vehicles we supply are:-RANGE ROVER JAGUAR FORD CITREONMERCEDES AUDI BMWJEEP PEUGEOT SEAT I've had a look around but all with different or various reviews so it's not been the most promising of searches. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted September 23, 2019 Unless you want to spend 12k, Plus subscriptions... i wouldn’t bother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike101 8 Posted September 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, Stalker said: Unless you want to spend 12k, Plus subscriptions... i wouldn’t bother. +1 there are plenty of cheap Chinese knock off tools out there, they may work but they may also cause a lot of damage! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casper 272 Posted September 23, 2019 Would be costly probably be cheaper in the long run with a mobile key guy when you require keys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NacMan 67 Posted September 23, 2019 Snap on versus edge does me or a mac tools e750 I think it is , cost me abit for both but they are decent! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, NacMan said: Snap on versus edge does me or a mac tools e750 I think it is , cost me abit for both but they are decent! I doubt either could code a key on anything within the last 5 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NacMan 67 Posted September 23, 2019 Both can actually definetly the snap on anyway its a 7k piece of kit, i did my 2014 audi q5 the other day, just needed to remove the module and delete a few things . 7 minutes ago, Stalker said: I doubt either could code a key on anything within the last 5 years. I have an autel which cant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stalker 180 Posted September 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, NacMan said: Both can actually definetly the snap on anyway its a 7k piece of kit, i did my 2014 audi q5 the other day, just needed to remove the module and delete a few things . I have an autel which cant You have a snap on that coded a q5 key? Was that using a pass thru device? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
have a word with the wife 299 Posted September 23, 2019 nightmare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TangoVictor32 90 Posted September 23, 2019 How many keys will you being doing to save on the costs? If the costs of software(s) is high then you will need to do a lot of keys to claw your money back and only then you will be saving on key programming minus any subscriptions...plus you will be paying for the fob and blades plus cutting Rather use a mobile guy or a local Indy I know some folks are keen to provide 2 keys but most are happy with "if it came with one it goes with one" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casper 272 Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TangoVictor32 said: How many keys will you being doing to save on the costs? If the costs of software(s) is high then you will need to do a lot of keys to claw your money back and only then you will be saving on key programming minus any subscriptions...plus you will be paying for the fob and blades plus cutting Rather use a mobile guy or a local Indy I know some folks are keen to provide 2 keys but most are happy with "if it came with one it goes with one" Someone discussed it here before i remember someone saying they got basic keys made up with no.chip to unlock the car which always mean if the key gets locked in the car they could get in sometimes on certain cars ive seen just basic keys with the chip without the remote which is still a spare key . Which seems like a not bad idea . Its a lot of money to make back i think you would have to add it as a sideline to your business Edited September 23, 2019 by Casper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TangoVictor32 90 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Casper said: Someone discussed it here before i remember someone saying they got basic keys made up with no.chip to unlock the car which always mean if the key gets locked in the car they could get in sometimes on certain cars ive seen just basic keys with the chip without the remote which is still a spare key . Which seems like a not bad idea . Its a lot of money to make back i think you would have to add it as a sideline to your business A basic key as in a simple bladed key? But what about keyless / stop start stuff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NacMan 67 Posted September 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Stalker said: You have a snap on that coded a q5 key? Was that using a pass thru device? Snapon versus edge mate search it up, mac tools et750 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casper 272 Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, TangoVictor32 said: A basic key as in a simple bladed key? But what about keyless / stop start stuff? Yes a basic bladed key with no remote as for start stop Then you would have to get one made from something that can do it by someone that has the machine I guess . I noticed some makers going back to a standard key I think Volkswagen did it with some golf models .. Edited September 24, 2019 by Casper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earunder 69 Posted September 24, 2019 18 hours ago, Stalker said: Unless you want to spend 12k, Plus subscriptions... i wouldn’t bother. Thanks for all the responses, really appreciate them all! So I started searching around and it seems the vast majority of the key programming specialists use an AD100Pro as it has all licences separately and starts from £1,495. Then after speaking to a few of the suppliers in the industry found they would recommend to "upgrade" to a zed full or a smart pro which were £3,500 and included 3 months free unlimited "tokens" (normally £15 a pop). Booked in for demos on all 3 so I'll let you know how that goes. 4 hours ago, NacMan said: Snapon versus edge mate search it up, mac tools et750 We've got a snap modis ultra but my guys said it can't do keyless entry and proximity keys, etc? I'll get on the phone to snap on, just in case they're not doing something right. 13 hours ago, TangoVictor32 said: How many keys will you being doing to save on the costs? If the costs of software(s) is high then you will need to do a lot of keys to claw your money back and only then you will be saving on key programming minus any subscriptions...plus you will be paying for the fob and blades plus cutting Rather use a mobile guy or a local Indy I know some folks are keen to provide 2 keys but most are happy with "if it came with one it goes with one" Well we're charged £140+ VAT upward depending on make / model / key on keyless entry vehicles from our local key guy. Worked out we would be saving if we did 15.6 vehicles let alone advertising doing keys ourselves now. We average around 40 keys per year where customers request it as part of the sale ( Although sometimes we can do a 50/50 contribution on a new key with a customer. ) and get asked for roughly 20 or so per year. It's a £100 minimum saving per vehicle so I'm willing to make a considerable investment to reduce my overheads and from the prices I've been quoted thus far would see a ROI in the first year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NacMan 67 Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Earunder said: Thanks for all the responses, really appreciate them all! So I started searching around and it seems the vast majority of the key programming specialists use an AD100Pro as it has all licences separately and starts from £1,495. Then after speaking to a few of the suppliers in the industry found they would recommend to "upgrade" to a zed full or a smart pro which were £3,500 and included 3 months free unlimited "tokens" (normally £15 a pop). Booked in for demos on all 3 so I'll let you know how that goes. We've got a snap modis ultra but my guys said it can't do keyless entry and proximity keys, etc? I'll get on the phone to snap on, just in case they're not doing something right. Well we're charged £140+ VAT upward depending on make / model / key on keyless entry vehicles from our local key guy. Worked out we would be saving if we did 15.6 vehicles let alone advertising doing keys ourselves now. We average around 40 keys per year where customers request it as part of the sale ( Although sometimes we can do a 50/50 contribution on a new key with a customer. ) and get asked for roughly 20 or so per year. It's a £100 minimum saving per vehicle so I'm willing to make a considerable investment to reduce my overheads and from the prices I've been quoted thus far would see a ROI in the first year. how do you do 0.6 of a vehicle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earunder 69 Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, NacMan said: how do you do 0.6 of a vehicle Haha I'm a sad stats fanatic Every rep pretty much hates having a sit down to talk to me 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NacMan 67 Posted September 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Earunder said: Haha I'm a sad stats fanatic Every rep pretty much hates having a sit down to talk to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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