The new MOT

[metcars 397]

Does anyone have an opinion on the new changes to the MOT. Apparently grading between minor, major and dangerous. Checking DPF is in place! and zerio smoke emissions for diesels. EML light on! And relaxed criteria for windscreen chips.

Edited January 26, 2018 by met

[trade vet 704]

1 hour ago, met said:

Does anyone have an opinion on the new changes to the MOT. Apparently grading between minor, major and dangerous. Checking DPF is in place! and zerio smoke emissions for diesels. EML light on! And relaxed criteria for windscreen chips.

Good news for Kwik Fit fitters !

[metcars 397]

I remember that song, "you can't get fitter than a kwik fit fitter, they're the boys to trust!"

[Arfur Dealy 823]

How are they going to check the dpf ? Visual.....

[metcars 397]

1 hour ago, Arfur Dealy said:

How are they going to check the dpf ? Visual.....

It was only a matter of time before they started cracking down on people removing EGR etc. Should make MOT a bit of a lottery for a while

[have a word with the wife 299]

thanks for bringing this to our attention, the good news is advisories are out 

the word minor used instead =

minor - defects having no significant effect on the safety of the vehicle or impact on the environment and other minor non-compliances. If only defects of a minor nature are present a test certificate will still be issued

[metcars 397]

11 hours ago, have a word with the wife said:

thanks for bringing this to our attention, the good news is advisories are out 

the word minor used instead =

minor - defects having no significant effect on the safety of the vehicle or impact on the environment and other minor non-compliances. If only defects of a minor nature are present a test certificate will still be issued

I wonder if wer're going to be spending time replacing EGR's and DPF that have 'gone missing' in the cars history. As  I understand it, if it was originally fitted it needs to be 'present' when tested?

There's a great thread on this forum showing some of the ridiculous 'advisories' that we've all experienced

Edited January 27, 2018 by met

[Mojo121 229]

So we'll now be selling cars with MInor 'faults' instead... that sounds easier to explain to a layman than an advisory 

Anyone got a link to an official piece of guidance on any of this? All I've found is scaremongering red top articles.

[It's me 615]

18 minutes ago, Mojo121 said:

So we'll now be selling cars with MInor 'faults' instead... that sounds easier to explain to a layman than an advisory 

Anyone got a link to an official piece of guidance on any of this? All I've found is scaremongering red top articles.

i can only find

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/why-were-changing-manual-advisories/

so at the mo its still ongoing

[metcars 397]

2 hours ago, Mojo121 said:

So we'll now be selling cars with MInor 'faults' instead... that sounds easier to explain to a layman than an advisory 

Not sure what the implications are when the customer presents the car for its next MOT and fails because EGR/DPF has been removed historically?

2 hours ago, s and b said:

i can only find

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/why-were-changing-manual-advisories/

so at the mo its still ongoing

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/671818/mot-inspection-manual-for-classes-3-4-5-and-7-from-20-may-2018-draft.pdf

[have a word with the wife 299]

thanks met, so, we have just about 99% lost the advisories, but its now even more important to do a pdi before test as we dont want a "dangerous" on any history .

i prefer "minor" to "advise" as a used car with  "minor" eg corrosion to exhaust system sounds better than "advice" corrosion to exhaust system ?

its all draft at the minute and with any "draft" they usually just close the door , not saying its not going through but can be tweaked before may.

in reference to dpf question, its quite simple =

Diesel particulate filters (DPF) should be checked for evidence that the DPF has been removed or otherwise tampered with. Where a DPF canister has clearly been cut open and re-welded, it should be rejected unless evidence can be provided that the canister was cut open for legitimate reasons, such as filter cleaning.

the egr question answered by "missing or obviously defective"

and for you oldies, a plastic flip front [grp] on a mini should fail [ major !] 

[Arfur Dealy 823]

31 minutes ago, have a word with the wife said:

thanks met, so, we have just about 99% lost the advisories, but its now even more important to do a pdi before test as we dont want a "dangerous" on any history .

i prefer "minor" to "advise" as a used car with  "minor" eg corrosion to exhaust system sounds better than "advice" corrosion to exhaust system ?

its all draft at the minute and with any "draft" they usually just close the door , not saying its not going through but can be tweaked before may.

in reference to dpf question, its quite simple =

Diesel particulate filters (DPF) should be checked for evidence that the DPF has been removed or otherwise tampered with. Where a DPF canister has clearly been cut open and re-welded, it should be rejected unless evidence can be provided that the canister was cut open for legitimate reasons, such as filter cleaning.

the egr question answered by "missing or obviously defective"

and for you oldies, a plastic flip front [grp] on a mini should fail [ major !] 

Thanks for the information:) What about diesel smoking..... surely that is a death penalty..... ?

[have a word with the wife 299]

2 hours ago, Arfur Dealy said:

Thanks for the information:) What about diesel smoking..... surely that is a death penalty..... ?

its only really new ones where its like 0.7, nothing for us to worry about yet 

[Arfur Dealy 823]

7 hours ago, have a word with the wife said:

its only really new ones where its like 0.7, nothing for us to worry about yet 

Phew

[Andy Entwistle 96]

Met with the IGA on Friday, they'll be doing  full piece for us in the mag soon and some sessions at Cdx, specifically aimed at the retail trade, to help us buy and understand what the changes mean

[LawJaw 50]

In Nov 2017 an investigation found thousands of UK drivers are illegally driving modified cars without diesel exhaust filters. 

It was February 2014 when MOT’s started to include a check to see if the filter was present however, from May 2018 the DVSA plan to introduce changes to the emission test that will improve their ability to detect filters that have been tampered with. 

Over 1800 diesel cars since 2014 in the UK have been found by the DVSA to be on the road without the legally required diesel particulate filters and without action the figure is likely to rise as consumers and those in the trade view it as a potential solution to issues.  However, the pollution produced by the particulate matter in the diesel fumes can be damaging to the heart and lungs as well as unborn children in the womb.  Noxious fumes created by diesel engines have been linked by The World Health Organisation to 38,000 premature deaths every year. 

Interestingly, the procedure to remove the filter is legal although driving the car without it is illegal ...and any vehicle found with a modified filter will be subject to a fine of £1,000 for a car or £2,500 for a van!

The DVSA Chief Executive Gareth Llewellyn is quoted as saying, “Vehicles found to have tampered with or missing DPF filters will fail their MOT...the DVSA continues to pursue such offences and will take action against any MOT garages found to be conducting illegal modifications.” 

In September last year two mechanics from Sheffield were banned from MOT testing for two years for carrying out DPF removal and advertising the service as the practice brings the MOT scheme into disrepute. 

DPF removal is not a remedy or a repair in accordance with the Consumer Rights Act 2015 and we wouldn't advise it is offered as such under any circumstance.

[metcars 397]

4 hours ago, tradex said:

"It was February 2014 when MOT’s started to include a check to see if the filter was present"

Yup, and still plenty of companies still offering DPF removal, even today with 'it won't fail MOT' statements, a quick google will show that.

Hate remaps too, these must by default, corrupt the emissions calibration of an engine.

Loud exhausts another pet hate, can't be louder than an OE system but go to London and you need ear plugs nowadays.

Yours Curmudgeonly

Victor Meldrew

Spot on, all the local 'likely lads' drive these large German performance coupe's that sound like hot rods!