2003 Fiesta 1.4 Zetec SE MOT Emissions High

[Dave2302 387]

No Fault Codes in it, (Snap On Solus Ultra), Tester reckons fit a Lambda and set of Plugs, anyone familiar with these Fix Or Repair Daily engines ??

CO is high, around 5. something and Lambda is too low on his MOT Emissions Kit

It does feel flat mid range to me, but then again I'm used to V6's  V8's, big CDI's etc  

Doesn't sound or feel like it's missing, anything common to look for on this boy racer shit heap ??

Edited April 3, 2019 by Dave2302

[Stalker 180]

24 minutes ago, Dave2302 said:

No Fault Codes in it, (Snap On Solus Ultra), Tester reckons fit a Lambda and set of Plugs, anyone familiar with these Fix Or Repair Daily engines ??

CO is high, around 5. something and Lambda is too low on his MOT Emissions Kit

It does feel flat mid range to me, but then again I'm used to V6's  V8's, big CDI's etc  

Doesn't sound or feel like it's missing, anything common to look for on this boy racer shit heap ??

Has he not got another good one to put the pipe up?

 

Is it on its original cat? Will it pass with a Italian Tune?

[Dave2302 387]

11 minutes ago, Stalker said:

11 minutes ago, Stalker said:

Has he not got another good one to put the pipe up?

 

Is it on its original cat? Will it pass with a Italian Tune?

 

I ragged it down there 14 miles in 3rd to get it checked, still over

It's a workshop punters sons car, so I'd not ask him to stick pipe up summat else, he might do if it were one of my own , but even my modded S/C V8 Merc puts out less than the max allowance required to pass, (well it did last July)   

Yeah it's on the original CAT by the look of it.

I'll see what the Plugs and Lambada do to it on Friday at test, might bung a bottle of snake oil cleaner in the tank too before test. 

I've had a couple like this recently, so to save me keep driving 28 mile round trip, I'm just looking at buying an ex MOT Emissions Tester, it can stand that in Workshop and use it when I'm in any doubts, this one was obvious, it stinks a bit when running

I had an old shagged Suzuki Jeep a couple weeks ago, timing chain rattling it's arse off, I got him to check that first and it was fine ............. Go Figure  

Edited April 3, 2019 by Dave2302

[Dave2302 387]

17 minutes ago, twerp said:

These can run very lean, are you sure its running at the correct idle speed ?

I didn't notice it wasn't lol, I currently got my head in a 14 Insignia electronics, will be getting fezza back in shortly to pull Plugs and Lambda ready for Morning when the bits arrive, I'll BRB

[Dave2302 387]

36 minutes ago, twerp said:

These can run very lean, are you sure its running at the correct idle speed ?

Target Idle showing 768 RPM, Actual Idle is hovering around 762 - 777 RPM so IMHO that's ok

O2 Sensor is looking quite lazy and inactive, it did have P0130 in it and EML on last week when he left it here, I cleared that and it hasn't come back yet, but I'm def gonna fit a Lambda tomorrow morning when it arrives

Plugs out now, they don't look bad, will change 'em anyway but don't look at all black and sooty ................

Temp Sensors, MAP etc all looks good data, guess I'll just have to see what happens tomorrow when the bits get here 

BTW this Car failed at a different test station 18/03/2019, SO 03 OOY if you want a laugh, half of the fail was bollox, and the muppet missed 2 split CV Boots and Front Exhaust Flexi Broken ................ Emissions was one of the many reasons lol, everything else is now fixed    

Any other ideas in case the O2 Lambada don't cure it ?? 

 

 

[David Horgan 564]

Probably got wrong oil in it , Some just put 10w/40 in and  they run shite " might the mid range issue " on any other than proper Ford spec 5w/30 fully 

They are oil sensitive I know that from experience of some px  self serviced shit we get  in . 

Oil Filter inc 5w/30 Ford spec fully , and a thrashing can bring readings down .

Lamba might do it too though 

 

[It's me 615]

hc reading????????

1 hour ago, Dave2302 said:

 

I've had a couple like this recently, so to save me keep driving 28 mile round trip, I'm just looking at buying an ex MOT Emissions Tester, it can stand that in Workshop and use it when I'm in any doubts,

remember they time out so you need to have it updated yearly

also you must remember to turn them on everyday and purge them

get the service bits off ebay theres a place at bawtry linconshire

i had a snap on dga 2500 theres one on the bay now,i moved it and a caster fell off the thing was so bloody heavy and i tried to grab it that it had me pinned to a car,scary moment

for quick jobs i use a digital gunsons that works off the car battery its very very good if used carefully

[Dave2302 387]

1 hour ago, jason doyle motor sales said:

remember they time out so you need to have it updated yearly

Really, I'll not bother if that's the case, guy said it's all working fine, Calibration expired in Jan this year, he hasn't used it for a year or more, since he bought new I'll double check this, it's local to me in Inverness £100, has been well looked after, my MOT man didn't say they need annual updating when I told him earlier, he has Crypton, the one I'm looking at is not a Snap On / Sun DGA 2500 though I can't remember the make. 

Any info on the Hand Held one, I had a quick look but could only see Chinese shite ?? I'll search for Gunsons, something smaller would be better

Can't remember the HC reading now, but he said it was wrong

Thanks for the info

25 minutes ago, tradex said:

If the CO is at 5% that really is running super rich, thats MGB territory. Lambda less than 1, so that makes sense, a cat won't clean that up and nor should it have to. 

Sounds like a duff Lambda sensor if its switching slowly. I'm guessing you know how to check one Dave

The split flexi has been fixed, yes? 

Yes, full new Exhaust except CAT.

Yes Lambda is def very very lazy, also it doesn't look that old, but was loose in the fannymold, probably overheated, so it's getting a new one in morning

Again, cheers for the info, first Emissions failure I've had in a long long while lol

[have a word with the wife 299]

can you post up all 4 figures ?

co high and hc high would indicate a faulty cts ?

vacum leak ?

i also note on the "failure" = Exhaust noise is clearly in excess of that emitted by a similar vehicle fitted with a standard silencer in average condition 

and you say "sons" car, and lamda was loose, has said boy, i refer you to heat sheild missing, removed the internals of said cat ? [ your honour ] 

[Dave2302 387]

31 minutes ago, have a word with the wife said:

has said boy, i refer you to heat sheild missing, removed the internals of said cat ?

Nah, I don't think he'd know how, but I just looked down it, internal brick looks good ....................

All he'd done was put a "Cherry Bomb" back box on it  My tester would have let it through, but the poison dwarf at the other Garage is just a tosser, there is nothing wrong with the Sparco Pedals that have been properly fitted either

I can't post up all 4 figures because I can't remember, but tester said straight away Lambda Sensor, and he's quite a good mechanic too   

Oh, and the Heat Shield was the one above Back Box had fell off, no danger of fire as the Cherry Bomb was a lot smaller than OE Silencer, but I have now refitted the one that had fell off with big washers  

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by Dave2302

[Dave2302 387]

OK, seems to be running better, I'll take it to Kyle and get MOT guy to stick his tube up it again, will write down the readings if not OK now

[Dave2302 387]

OK well this print out today wasn't at my usual guys MOT station, but another more local one did it a couple of times, revved the knackers off it just before and got it to scrape a pass ........................

It also has the "Boy Racer" K&N Air Filter, so I'm gonna take that off and give it a good soak and clean before the test tomorrow 

I decided not to go to my guy today, as I can plead all ignorance tomorrow and he can see I've changed the Lambda and Plugs and it's a helluva lot better than it was yesterday 

That way he might help out a bit like JD did today and get it to scrape through, sadly he was too busy today to do the rest of the test for me lolololol .......................

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by Dave2302

[It's me 615]

thats a right just scrape through

is it burning a bit of oil

someone else said these engines run on nats piss 0/30 i seem to remember,nasty things

a kn wont help will it,just make it go woooooar

21 hours ago, Dave2302 said:

 

Any info on the Hand Held one, I had a quick look but could only see Chinese shite ?? I'll search for Gunsons, something smaller would be better

 

no not the handhelp they work but are very expensive for what they are

its literally a shoebox that sits on the floor and connects to car battery

its best to set the co up to a known good car then compare with bad car,

its £100+ on ebay or was but it works straight out of the box

lambda you can see if its working via a scan tool

 

eg......

eBay item number:

162003793729

Edited April 4, 2019 by jason doyle motor sales

[Dave2302 387]

8 minutes ago, jason doyle motor sales said:

thats a right just scrape through

is it burning a bit of oil

It doesn't seem to be, no visible signs and the old spark plugs weren't fouled

someone else said these engines run on nats piss 0/30 i seem to remember,nasty things

a kn wont help will it,just make it go woooooar

You and I know that lol, this is an 18 year old knob who thinks he knows best despite his parents and my own advice

It won't hurt for me to clean it though

no not the handheld they work but are very expensive for what they are

its literally a shoebox that sits on the floor and connects to car battery

its best to set the co up to a known good car then compare with bad car,

its £100+ on ebay or was but it works straight out of the box

lambda you can see if its working via a scan tool

 

Yeah, Solus Ultra showed the lambda was all but dead yesterday, very lazy, new one looks fine today

eg......

eBay item number:

162003793729

I'll go take a look and get one be a lot easier than getting a bloody great big thing to take up valuable workshop space

Thanks for your replies

[Area 51 33]

Show it that 1/4in Snap on... that'll sort the tw*t once and for all...

[Dave2302 387]

That 1/4 is a half 

I'm hanging fire on that Gunsons, it only measures CO as far as I can tell, nice compact unit though.

I rang the Guy with the MOT Test unit, he says if I'm not actually an MOT Test Station there is no need for updates, it doesn't time out etc, reads Lambda HC and CO, Petrol Gas Test and Diseasel Opacity, so I've bid him a cheeky £100 which he is gonna consider and let me know  

Edited April 4, 2019 by Dave2302

[It's me 615]

36 minutes ago, Dave2302 said:

That 1/4 is a half 

I'm hanging fire on that Gunsons, it only measures CO as far as I can tell, nice compact unit though.

I rang the Guy with the MOT Test unit, he says if I'm not actually an MOT Test Station there is no need for updates, it doesn't time out etc, reads Lambda HC and CO, Petrol Gas Test and Diseasel Opacity, so I've bid him a cheeky £100 which he is gonna consider and let me know  

if youve found one that doesnt time out very well done

mine did which is why it went

dont forget to plug it in every day mind

[Dave2302 387]

13 hours ago, jason doyle motor sales said:

if youve found one that doesnt time out very well done

Hi, Thank you for your help with this.

This particular machine is made by Johnson Controls

All I did was ask the owner if it would time out, he said if I wasn't using it for MOT's then it doesn't time out and won't need updates and Calibration Cert :-

He said :- "Hi Dave - no you have to keep them calibrated every year for VOSA records if you are doing MOTs and they will require updates as and when they command. If you are not doing MOTs then you can use it to check emissions without it it ever timing out. 
And yes it tests all of the emissions for the MOT test. If you come to collect we can demonstrate it working for you."

Could you please elaborate on this "time out" I don't really want to spend £100, (more so the hassle of 120 mile drive to go get it), and then find it stops working in a month .............

I know nothing about MOT Gas Testers lol, when I used to test there was no Emissions Test

For example is your Gas tester connected to VOSA via internet ??

How can I tell if / when it will time out ?

LOL, some Mercedes SDS Diagnostics do expire, but you can re keygen them, or just set the date back on them  ................

like I said, Emission Testers I know 'nuffeeeeeeeeenk"

TIA

Edited April 5, 2019 by Dave2302

[It's me 615]

i got my machine from my ex mot tester

it was timed out by the service engineer and he wouldnt come and reset it

before it ran out it nearly killed me when it fell on me so i skipped it

it was a fantastic tool 

if you look on the bay most of them have the '''timed out running will need to be reset''' disclaimer

you are in middle of nowhere so ask your snap on man would be my best advise

honestly when you get one you will wonder how you lived without it once you start working on stuff like fords and peugeots

the little filter on the back is about $35 from bawtry and is a 5 minute swap over,just make sure its plugged in every day (the mornsterr) and you purge it or certainly where you are it will pack in fairly quickly :-)

[Dave2302 387]

Ahhhh, right, yeah I understand now thanks for the info.

I also quizzed my MOT man on this today ..................

He said it is likely that the Snap On / Suns will have a time out in their s/w but his new Crypton will not, although obviously as he's testing he has to get all the updates when VOSA say so, and have it Calibrated regularly ...................

I'm guessing the guy selling the Johnson Controls one is likely telling the truth I think it's worth a punt 

The Snap On stuff is all about subscriptions and updates, which I don't like, that's why I bought the top end Generic Autel Diag at £1800 recently  instead of the new Snap On at 8k and insistent on subscription as condition of purchase  

The Fezza scraped through Idle Emissions perhaps with a little help from the Tester 

Everything else was good now so it has passed

[Dave2302 387]

Ahhh  well, someone else had the same idea as me and bid on that Gas Analyser in the last 20 seconds,  and as I wasn't prepared to go more than a £152 he won it.

I'll either buy that Gunsons, or keep looking for a decent used one, I would prefer HC, CO2 and Lambda readings as well as CO

The trade off with a small ish workshop is the size of the MOT ones compared to the Gunsons .............. Decisions decisions ..............

Edited April 8, 2019 by Dave2302