GreenGiant

Q: What's the best way to make a small fortune in the motor trade? A: Start with a large one.

You know, Scotty.... sweetheart..... we've been together a long, long time and we've had a few ups and downs, but I think we suit each other. However, over the last few years, I know you think I've been a bit controlling but I've always had your best interests at heart. I may not have listened quite as intently as you'd like when you weren't happy about something, but I always got the message in the end. I know I've always looked after the money side of things but I thought you were OK with that. I've relied on you to be creative and inventive and not to be afraid to tell me when I've been a bit of a numpty with me mates. So telling me you want a divorce after all this time together was, to be perfectly frank, a bit of a shock. Isn't that a bit, you know, drastic? Can't we have a talk about it? I mean, we're soulmates.... joined at the hip.... we're Great together. If you feel so bad about us then how about maybe a trial separation? I won't change anything, you can move back to your mother for a bit and see how we get on. I won't change the locks or give your CDs to the charity shop (tbh, no-one really likes Annie Lennox, but i've been too scared to tell you). Who knows, in a few weeks you might realise how good we are together and we can carry on as if nothing had happened. Divorce though?! I don't think you'll last 5 minutes without me anyway. You always said you'd be better off alone, but that's what you'll be............alone! My mates won't be your mates and you'll have to make your own arrangements for banking and insurance. I'm not gonna help when your car goes wrong either. And don't come crying to me when the money runs out. If you go through with this you'll deserve everything that you get. I'm gonna do what I want, with who I want, when I want, without having to ask your permission, What's mine is mine and you aren't having any of it. If you think I'm just gonna give up half of everything I've worked so hard for, you've got another think coming. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of being in control of my own destiny without having to share everything with you... and then listen to you being ungrateful and moany about it. Come to think of it, maybe it is the best option after all... Yeah, clear off and take your silly clothes and rubbish food with you!

S'funny how the nitty gritty details like Jim has just touched on are not on the agenda for discussion - it's just the political posturing, scaremongering and arguing that makes good telly. The real details of what would actually change are not mentioned. OK, so we might be a bit insulated from the effects 'darn sarf' but there are many, many small details that will mean very big changes if the vote is yes - to everyone. Not being able to cross the border in either direction in a financed car is a cracker. I don't remember either side talking about the ramifications of that. Honestly, if I had a vote in this referendum, i'd be absolutely livid at how little information the people have been given about the real-life implications - short and long term. It's like the ordinary lives of the ordinary people don't really matter. They'll just have to find out as they go along and to hell with the consequences and inconvenience. And the cost.

For those of you old enough to remember... Bookseller: I hear the gooseberries are doing well this year... and so are the mangoes. Lemming: I'm sorry? Bookseller: Oh! I was just saying, thinking of the weather, I, uh, hear the gooseberries are doing well this year... and so are the mangoes. Lemming: Mine aren't. Bookseller: Go on. Lemming: What? Bookseller: Go on. Mine aren't, but... Lemming: What? Bookseller: Aren't you going to say something about "Mine aren't, but the Big Cheese gets his at low tide tonight"?

Ok There's an obvious elephant in the room and I'm gonna point at it........ Jane..... If that's your name..... We all welcome contributions from anyone with a view on any topic, so don't be offended... but... Any chance you could stop posting using a random word generator? I've looked at all of your posts and can honestly say I have no idea what you are saying. At all. Sorry.

FWIW, we use a Nexus 10 Tablet and we can take good quality photos, upload to A/T & websites, print stock sheets via Google Cloud, prop finance deals, check auction stock, Skype and become a Black Belt in Candy Crush, all on the one device. And half the price of an iPhone ...see how I didn't mention Soshall Meeja? But you can do that, too, if you have the time.

...immersive job swap experiment... Deep sea diving anyone?

Have I missed something or has the silence from the RMI, NFDA and SMMT been deafening? I thought the industry bodies worked on our behalf to promote our cause and get our voices heard. And yet the DVLA are steamrollering in these changes with no apparent discussions and very little regard and, quite frankly, ripping us off. Question is, what do we do about it?

Sounds like you need a watch...

Only asking.

Good grief. As suspected: waaaay too many permutations. Look on the bright side - we've got 3 weeks to run with the new system before they change it! Heads they win........

Interesting. So that's now THREE different interpretations. And yes Countryman, if true, it absolutely is outrageous. Maybe this should be moved to the Frauds & Scams thread?

Maybe you should move the thread we had a while ago about BCA here too? You know, the one where we were discussing how BCA (owners of webuyanycar) selling cars from UKCar Group and CCTrade Sales(both webuyanycar) ie their own stock, to retail and trade punters without having to provide any warranty or other guarantees and refusing any comebacks on quality complaints. Isn't that potentially some kind of scam?

Didn't do anything. I've always been a grumpy old b*$%^^d

Will need to check my digital landscape to see if I have a transparent, silicon-based, framed aperture insert in my chronologically- arranged, activity reminder system. Oh no...... I'm busy. Shame

LOL. (I'm led to believe this is an appropriate use for this acronym) I was gonna say 'unbelievable' but it really isn't. Was it in an envelope like Jim got recently too? Hey James! Reckon yer man from the DVLA could marketing-speak his way out of this one? No, me neither. This, Umesh, is a window to the near future for all of us... and the view is not pretty,

OK So, that's now 2 individuals from the DVLA with 2 different interpretations of what is going to happen. From our perspective, this is much fairer, but, nevertheless, there's nothing actually in writing confirming anything. And until we get that, I'm not taking anything for granted.

Do it Online!! Supplementary question: Same scenario, but the car has a tax disc on it valid to 31 December. Do we just send off the V5, as now, and the car gets taxed in December? Or are the goalposts being moved?

Absolutely Jim. But this thread started a month ago. Questions, doubts and possible problems have been raised and discussed. But here we are, a month later and no wiser. Another month's time and it's almost on us. So, whilst suggesting we don't get dramatic about it is nice and diplomatic, fact is, we're pretty clueless and nobody is listening or offering any actual advice. BTW, the Post Office online link with the DVLA crashed this afternoon - while I was half way through getting a car taxed for delivery today, naturally. As of 5pm, still not working. Car not taxed. Customer not happy. Bank Holiday weekend upon us. What would yer man from the DVLA's advice be? Oh, I know,,, do it online! It's like having a window to the future, and the view ain't pretty. Solution? G&T and try again tomorrow, I suppose.

Bloody 'ell Gavin! That's joined up thinking, that is! Hang your head in shame, young man.

Can't wait. Jeez, can you imagine the hoops we're going to have to jump through to appeal? As always, it will be guilty unless you can prove otherwise. Still, I would like a bit more clarification on what Philip said earlier about all current valid tax discs on vehicles in the Trade being cancelled on 30 Sept with no refunds. If that is the case, that is an outrage and it stinks. I, like Jim, am concerned that no communication from the DVLA mentions the 'passed to Trade' status - they just talk about 'registered' or SORNed. Will that staus even exist any more? Or have I missed something 'cos of the red mist...?

I appreciate that, James. It could also be that he didn;t actually know (or care) about how it is all going to work down here at the pointy end, it's just his job to make sure the 'digitals' are all 'delivered' into the 'multi-channel landscape' and to hell with the consequences. If the DVLA/HM Revenue can diddle the trade/public out of a few million quid in the process, then that's just collateral damage, so happy days! As we have found with the NI switchover, it will simply be a case of shoot first and apologise later.

OK Got a copy. Read the article. Still don't get it. I must have missed a memo or something, because it just is not clear how it is all going to work - I mean, all different types of transaction, transfer, payments, responsibilities.... everything! There's a full answer about DVLA selling data to parking companies ( which, frankly, is of no interest to this discussion) and loads of relevant questions that were just not answered. Many words were used, but nothing was actually said. For example: Q: How do you tax a vehicle not registered to you because you can't do it online? A: Do it online Q: Will you change the Trade Plate system? A: No. But if we do.... Seriously? tbh, James, i think you were just fobbed off with a load of marketing gobbledegook. Here's some crispy nuggets: multi channel business digital deliverables a much more digital landscape We (or maybe just me..?) would have liked some intelligible, actual answers and advice. October 1st is not far away and we do not have enough information.

Hey James! It's the 18th. You got that interview with the top bloke from the 'It-ain't broke-but-we're gonna-fix-it-anyway' dept of the DVLA please?

I did tick the 'No Publicity' box, didn't I?